The fight starts off on the Great Wall Of China. The Shiar didn’t want Gladiator to fight anymore, but he was definitely willing to do so. But how do we know that they could react dynamically to necessary changes and attack or defend accordingly? @Marluxia87: Thing is fight starts at the same time, for Jean to get into Superman's head she has to think, Superman is faster than thought and his reaction speed is almost lightspeed, before she thinks anything or attempts to get inside her head, he has already clobbered her. Jean is otherwise human, so that's why she wouldn't be able to use her powers if Superman speedblitzed. (Definitely sometime on Monday at the latest). If we know how fast she can react we have a rough idea of how fast she can think. Even if it was a measure of improved thought speeds, it would only indicate a seconds to minute/hours enhancement. If she turns into a massive size to do this, Superman can just burst out of her. And why should I assume this species of telepaths are high order telepaths? she is usualy gentle enough to try to not kill them but a blodod luisted jean would just release some sort of disintiguation wave. Erased out of existence. His mind’s defenses are just too good. Superman & Wonder Woman vs Cyclops & Jean Grey. Your email address will not be published. I’m pretty sure I remember the future Jean Grey having a cloak, but I didn’t read the arc so I wouldn’t know. Let’s not … ‘Stefan Vs. ISIS’ Pic In Works; Real-Life Story Of Non-Binary Millennial Who Joined The Kurdish Freedom Fighters. J'onn has used telepathy on him several times, however. The white Phoenix abilities do not matter. Time runs differently. But no, they’re not surprised because issues before that they faced the alternate teen jean’s future, and she was immensely powerful. I am not sure what number to assign that but it seems to me his mental speed is not going to be a factor here. She could destroy him even without the phoenix force. To me i feel this is more an issue of plot. I can counter all your arguments. I admit that Jean Grey is very powerful though. And my liver, and my–Arggh!! she doesnt have to if she got into supermans mind then she can shut him down from there. 8. She was still basically wearing a cloak and I needed to verify that. Time Travel doesn’t work very well here since you can’t warp to before the fight. Where as Superman who can think this to himself in a nanosecond "I give myself about a nanosecond before the kid let's loose with his biggest blast yet!" Renouncing to an American citizenship is not something to be amused about, people do it left right up and down every day. Oh and Superman has destroyed solar systems? Remember when he kept up with the Flash and took down Bane in a single hit? For example, Jean is not earring cloak, and the outfit she’s wearing is that of Xorn’s, and that doesn’t make your argument valid in anyway, because your point is beside the point (beside the point fallacy). 9. You see, Jean will always win. (ie Martian not attempting telepathy against S boy prime). power stats. Here is the full scan of that picture you posted, Jean killed herself the Shi’Ar have never defeated her, she killed herself…. I’m not an American, but you people in England definitely should take some rhetorical classes, so you can avoid logical fallacies and create logical concise arguments. Jean has tons of reality warping abilities but in the end she won’t be able to catch Superman as his speed is way too fast for her to even detect him, and if she were to attack him Jean would wish she hadn’t, as Superman’s durability is too high and even surpasses reality warping attacks. As a group they blocked out J'onn's TP, We've seen superman blitz before, why would he not when bloodlusted. he is stronger and faster then jean . 4. I don’t mind the fact that Superman’s getting crushed though. She then want back in time, and did different things therefore completely changing the course of the Multiverse. 9. And in an alternate universe she killed everyone and destroyed it, including all quicksilver and all of the fast people. After Jean put down Gladiator, he got up and fully charged at her and she charged back at him: After that Gladiator fell hard onto the ground barely being able to get up…Jean was fine. Don’t base a win/lose on your unsupported opinion, actually let me get more scans to prove that Jean Grey owned him over and over again…. She is the strongest mutant alive, OMEGA-C5. ...hrm, does Torquasm Vo give Superman some resistance to telepathy while he speedblitzes? Manipulating the timelines won’t really help in this match and she has no durability feats to suggest that she could endure a punch from Superman. Posted on July 10, 2012 by dreager1. Lol, I know that he’s the punching bag of the Shiar when it comes to fighting Jean Grey. See 1 (Although I think Superman could possibly tank that) Even so, she doesn’t really have that level of ability and you underestimate Superman’s speed. I don’t believe that he would get mind controlled and willpower is always enough for a hero. Jean: *removes all internal organ and severely damages arteries with a time stop* SM: Wait, where’s my heart? It's like dreaming a lifetime when you fall asleep. Jean Grey is a pretty powerful telepath and in Phoenix Force is also deadly, but she’s up against the Man of Steel! I tried, but my intelligence precedes me…. In the white hot room she can change the past present and future year before anything happens, so she can just erase superman and his entire civilization from existing before they even existed, meaning superman can’t do anything sour it because he doesn’t exist yet before she erases him from the future.